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the gun rights activists and the nra don't stop talking about it. they regain the traction they had momentarily lost. there is still hope for that issue, but the president really needs to move on that in january wile also remembering that the first three priorities are the economy, the economy, and the economy. >> how -- i think part of the sad reality is there will continue to be gun violence between now and the time that any legislation is proposed, but how do we keep the pressure on, and again i think this question of getting something meaningful done because as dana pointed out, we know the nra isn't stopping. they are knocking on doors and making phone calls. how do we make sure something doesn't get watered down in the enand we get something meaningful? >> the key thing is to remember that the president has the bully pulpit and there are 535 people on capitol hill who can do something by sending a bill to the president that he can sign into law, but none of that is going to happen unless the anger that was there in the immediate hours and days
the gun rights activists and the nra don't stop talking about it. they regain the traction they had momentarily lost. there is still hope for that issue, but the president really needs to move on that in january wile also remembering that the first three priorities are the economy, the economy, and the economy. >> how -- i think part of the sad reality is there will continue to be gun violence between now and the time that any legislation is proposed, but how do we keep the pressure on,...
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and that's what i think -- that was the moral question to the nra. is this just the cost of doing business to you? are you willing to accept that we live in this kind of society where these kinds of horrific tragedies happen? and i think the whole nation stopped and waited to hear the response. and i think the answer is very disappointing because we can do better than this. you know, there are many countries. 23 of the richest industrial countries on earth except for us have 1/20 of our death rate from guns. this can be done. it's not that it can't be done. we can ban assault weapons, as senator feinstein is proposing, including the re weapon that was used in sandy hook, legally bought by the perpetrator's mother. that could have been banned. the large magazine rounds where you can fire off multiple rounds, that should have been done. background checks, 40% of guns are bought by people who don't have to go -- that's on the secondary market, they can avoid a background check. this is not necessary. we can do something like this. >> eloquently stated.
and that's what i think -- that was the moral question to the nra. is this just the cost of doing business to you? are you willing to accept that we live in this kind of society where these kinds of horrific tragedies happen? and i think the whole nation stopped and waited to hear the response. and i think the answer is very disappointing because we can do better than this. you know, there are many countries. 23 of the richest industrial countries on earth except for us have 1/20 of our death...
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sheriffs are now backing the proposal, including sheriff paul babu of arizona, who's written, "the nra is correct. we need a cop in every school. we have a people problem, not a gun problem." sheriff paul babeu is "outfront" tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, john. >> sheriff, i understand the attractiveness of this proposal, an armed guard, a school member training with a weapon. but let's look at the facts, going back to columbine and virginia tech, columbine, they had two armed guards on the campus at the time, virginia tech had 34 armed guards. yet 13 killed in columbine, 32 at virginia tech. so the evidence, sheriff, suggests that armed guards on campus do not stop school massacres. >> well, you see a school that i grew up in, there was just one building. and some of these campuses or college campuses, as you point out, there could be eight, there could be 20-some odd buildings. and to my point, training and arming designated school administrators or designated teachers, not everyone, some school districts may not want to do this, but for those who do, law enforcemen
sheriffs are now backing the proposal, including sheriff paul babu of arizona, who's written, "the nra is correct. we need a cop in every school. we have a people problem, not a gun problem." sheriff paul babeu is "outfront" tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, john. >> sheriff, i understand the attractiveness of this proposal, an armed guard, a school member training with a weapon. but let's look at the facts, going back to columbine and virginia...
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he said this about the nra's proposal. let's watch. >> public wants guns out of the schools not in schools and they're not asking for a security official or someone else. i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not he have human being should own a gun. not every gun should be available at any time anywhere for anyone. >> i mentioned this before on the air because it meant a lot to me bobby kennedy was killed and it hit a lot of us in our hearts and i wrote a congressman. but it seems mayor nutter and gene what happens is everybody gets reactive. we all react, and then notice how wayne lapierre who is a brilliant professional. he waits a couple weeks. a couple weeks in now he will be the only one doing this full time. >> people who are interested in saying gun control laws have got to keep up the pressure, have got to keep up the focus and not do what you just said, not conform to this general pattern of
he said this about the nra's proposal. let's watch. >> public wants guns out of the schools not in schools and they're not asking for a security official or someone else. i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not he have human being should own a gun. not every gun should be available at any time anywhere for anyone. >> i mentioned this before on the air because...
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guns can't possibly be part of the problem according to the nra. >> the nra, so dedicated to protect the second amendment, willing to sell out the first and many other constitutional amendments we hold deer. >> you talk about this rare, you have newtown across the country when you look at the collective desk. the point where you talk about whether it's arming teachers or gun control or mental illness, you are trying to confront as many pieces of the puz elt as possible. no one solution. one-dimensional conversation only about guns that is a ridiculous conversation it has to be a much broader, but you can't have some barriers to try and prevent some things from happening. >> you hear the cultural divide in the last statement. >> you asked about firefighters. >> they should be armed. and i think roland is right. a multidimensional problem. in 1994 when we passed the assault weapons ban, part of a comprehensive crimes bill. ultimately you have to attack a problem like this from all sides. very difficult when you have a fundamental cultural divide and a big chunk of the country says the
guns can't possibly be part of the problem according to the nra. >> the nra, so dedicated to protect the second amendment, willing to sell out the first and many other constitutional amendments we hold deer. >> you talk about this rare, you have newtown across the country when you look at the collective desk. the point where you talk about whether it's arming teachers or gun control or mental illness, you are trying to confront as many pieces of the puz elt as possible. no one...
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. >>> the nra is saying schools should decide for themselves how to protect their children. here's what nra president david keen told carol costello yesterday. >> when wayne la pierre spoke about a week ago, he suggested that what has to happen and what should happen in every school district administrators, teachers, parents, should sit down and ask what is needed to protect the children in that school. some of them will want police officers there. others will want private security guards. there may be some places where they want volunteers to do it. we're willing to work with everybody on those questions. >> it's a much softer stance than just one week ago. here's what the nra's executive vp said back then. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> at the time, wayne lapierre said armed officers were the only way to prevent another massacre like the one that happened in newtown. >>> president obama summoning congressional leaders to the white house, 3:00 this aft
. >>> the nra is saying schools should decide for themselves how to protect their children. here's what nra president david keen told carol costello yesterday. >> when wayne la pierre spoke about a week ago, he suggested that what has to happen and what should happen in every school district administrators, teachers, parents, should sit down and ask what is needed to protect the children in that school. some of them will want police officers there. others will want private...
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and 54% of americans have a favorable opinion of the nra. >> juliet: these are three separate polls. it's not one poll. so we're grabbing from different polls. >> eric: and again, by the way, those little dots on the map indicated only hand gun permits. not concealed carry permits and you don't -- there is no requirement for a permit to own a shotgun. so some of the other people who aren't red dotted feel like they're becoming targets saying, hey, if i don't have a red dot on my address, a predator or criminal may come to my house instead of one that has a red dot. remember, criminals, all you people, they still might have a shotgun. and that can make you as dead as hand guns. >> juliet: when you try to get that information from the freedom of information act, it doesn't tell you the specific type of weaponry that they have there. >> eric: or when the last time they had the gun in the house. it could be from a 1965 permit. >> juliet: that's true. >> kelly: the debate continues throughout the country. meantime, president obama's epa chief resigned and her reason? it may be just a cove
and 54% of americans have a favorable opinion of the nra. >> juliet: these are three separate polls. it's not one poll. so we're grabbing from different polls. >> eric: and again, by the way, those little dots on the map indicated only hand gun permits. not concealed carry permits and you don't -- there is no requirement for a permit to own a shotgun. so some of the other people who aren't red dotted feel like they're becoming targets saying, hey, if i don't have a red dot on my...
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it was conducted last week after the nra proposed putting an armed guard in every school. it was conducted among more than 1,000 adults with a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. >>> administrators and school staff members in utah are learning how to handle guns. a firearm instructor organized an event to provide teachers with concealed weapons. it's one of a number of states that allow them to take them on school campuses. >> i think it's important to have protection because if you don't have it we're sitting ducks. >> gun rights advocates estimate about 240 teachers in utah are licensed to carry concealed weapons. it's not known how many do so at school. >> this weekend thousands of people from across the country are headed to webster new york for services honoring two firefighters killed on duty. they were gunned down trying to put out a fire on christmas eve. the gunman torched his home and opened fire and later committed suicide. the two firefighters will be buried sunday and monday. those from around the u.s. are there for the funerals and thanks to
it was conducted last week after the nra proposed putting an armed guard in every school. it was conducted among more than 1,000 adults with a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. >>> administrators and school staff members in utah are learning how to handle guns. a firearm instructor organized an event to provide teachers with concealed weapons. it's one of a number of states that allow them to take them on school campuses. >> i think it's important to have...
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yesterday carol costello interviewed the president of the nra david keene. >> i'll tell you who i'd like to have indicted and prosecuted, the people in chicago, the criminals in chicago who made that one of the most violent cities in maeshlamerica. in chicago there's less chance that you'll be prosecuted under federal firearms laws than in almost any major city in this country and that's a crime. >> reverend jackson knows that city very well so of course we'll get his response to that, that's coming up in about 90 minutes. >>> shifting gears now, by now you've heard all about the finger pointing over the fiscal cliff, it's happening all day, both sides blame each other for the lack of progress and today, top congressional leaders will head to the white house for a meeting with president obama, trying to strike a deal with just four days to go. getting lost in the rhetoric are everyday americans like my next guest, she says washington needs to know how important the fiscal cliff is to those who are out of work, specifically to the 2 million americans who will lose their federal unemployme
yesterday carol costello interviewed the president of the nra david keene. >> i'll tell you who i'd like to have indicted and prosecuted, the people in chicago, the criminals in chicago who made that one of the most violent cities in maeshlamerica. in chicago there's less chance that you'll be prosecuted under federal firearms laws than in almost any major city in this country and that's a crime. >> reverend jackson knows that city very well so of course we'll get his response to...